Black Moor/Calico Telescope Eyed Goldfish

by Anna
(Florida)

Around a month ago my goldfish bred, and I found your website (which has been so helpful, thank you!!) but need advice on temperature for color change because I am a little confused. So, I know for sure the female is a black moor, however I have two males with her - another black moor and a calico telescope eyed goldfish.

I only collected about 16 eggs which I put in a 29 g tank but only filled the water to height that is suggested in your article… Fast forward about a month now since they became free swimming and I now have 16 fish fry which are roughly all around an inch long with slight variants of a cm or two.

At the beginning I was very strict about feed baby brine shrimp that I hatched as suggested in your post now, they get a mix of that or store bought frozen baby brine shrimp or frozen daphnia when I don't have live. I have attached picture below because I clearly have a mix of calico and (hopefully) black moor. I don't know the breeding lineage history so I don't know if they have been bred well or not & I am not breeding for perfection or to be a breeder, just because I love my fish babies.

I saw on your post that metallic scaled goldfish water temp should be higher for optimal color change so I did raise the temp to around 78F for around a week and did notice that the gray/brown ones became darker- almost black- and the "calico" ones did develop more color. However, I went back to your post to check something and read that black moor are an exception to temp raise since there has been some studies suggesting it will make for red/orange moor so I then lowered the temp a couple days ago to 75F because I wasn't sure and I feel like some have since gotten lighter. So my question is what temp should I have the tank at preferably for both colors? What will happen to the calico if the temp for black moor is favored? Have I completely screwed up? HAHA Will the brownish ones become black?

I know the two color types should be separate but I don't have another tank to do that and have so many going already, I don't think I can handle another one but I am watching a friends fish who is going to pick them up somewhat soon so in the near future I will have a 10 g tank that I can put the calico in probably because I feel like there are less of those. Also, when can I fill the tank completely up and switch from a sponge filter to a normal filter?

When can I put one back with its parents (who I have also attached pictures of for reference)? Do you know when or if their eyes will develop to be telescoped?

Sorry, I know that is a lot of questions and text…. Also, I am sorry the pictures aren't the best, they are the best I could do.



Grant's Reply

Hi Anna
Firstly, congratulations on raising this many fry from eggs into healthy juveniles. Few manage to do so. Attaining this size in a month confirms you are doing everything right.
Let’s address the questions in order.

Feeding
Juveniles of this size can now be transitioned on to your preferred food. I feed gel food because my Black Moor in particular don’t process dry prepared foods particularly well, getting indigestion followed by buoyancy issues (floating to the top).
Don’t expect them to accept new food immediately, they are like children and cats, they don’t like change. Gradually add a little of the new food to their diet.

Temperature
Yes, generally speaking, it is advisable to keep Black Moors a little cooler. Increasing the temperature for metallic fish is because it speeds up the coloring process from natural (gray) to black to gold. With Black Moors, the black coloration comes with the development of the eyes, hence no need to heat them. As you mentioned, higher temperatures are believed to trigger many Black Moors to complete the color change process and change to gold or red.

Your fish should be starting to turn black, and the eyes should begin to extend very shortly if some aren’t already.

Personally, I would leave the temperature at 75 for the moment as the fish will grow faster at that temperature.

Your fish don’t need to be separated; fill the aquarium to its maximum level. The lower water level helped with swim bladder development.

You can change to a standard filter now, just make sure the intake suction and outlet flow aren’t too strong, in other words, go small initially.
Fish with telescopic eyes are vulnerable to having them sucked off during the feeding frenzy.

Personally, I don’t mix juveniles with adults that are smaller than half the size of the adults for that reason. It isn’t such a problem with other normal-eyed varieties.
Your fish are very nice specimens, especially the calico, the calicos should develop nice colors over the next few months.

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Jan 30, 2025
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by: Grant

To answer your questions in order:
Temperature
If the water temperature without a heater is below 75F, leave the heater at 75F as they are still small fish.
When you quote sizes, indicate the body length size because the tail length can be significant with goldfish. For instance, the total length of a 6-inch comet could be 12 inches.
You can add gravel any time you like, BUT be aware it is a choking hazard. I have lost two Black Moor that way. Gravel should either be small enough to suck up and spit out or too large to pick up. And don't forget, they grow, which happened in my case.
Tank Capacity
The 29 gal could hold three reasonably sized Moors. If they grew to full size, maybe only two.
The 75 gal could hold maybe six or seven, depending on how often you want to do a water change.
As for the young ones in the 29 gal, it depends.
You have the bio-load considerations covered, but I am finding the water mineralization level is just as important.
If you have soft water, at a certain point, they will stop growing.
If you have hard water, you need to know how much calcium is in your water and either do water changes to replenish it or add a supplement.
Please read my latest e-zine, #133, where I discuss the problems soft water causes with goldfish.

Jan 29, 2025
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by: Anna

Thank you so much! I am very happy to hear that I am doing everything right. I am sorry it took so long to respond, I did read your reply a little bit ago, but have just been too busy to respond. I REALLY appreciate the help!

Feeding
Okay perfect. Since seeing your response, I actually started making homemade gel food for all my goldfish. I use canned salmon with the skin and bones, spirulina powder and gelatin. I alternate between that and frozen brine shrimp.

Temperature
Since I posted this, the black moors have started turning black and the calico ones have really gained their colors. I have also noticed that their eyes are starting to extend. They have now reached a length of about 1.5 to 2 inches.

I have left it at 75F, filled the tank and have a sponge filter and external filter. Is there a point where I should change the temperature?

Also, when is it okay to add gravel to the tank? I have an extra 5 g tank I could house them in while adding it, obviously don't want to hit any of them with it lol. I know 5 g is super small but it would just be for the 5 minutes it takes to add the gravel.

It is a 29 g tank, for how long can I house 15-16 of them in there for? I know people tend to freak out about goldfish bio loads, which I get considering most people don't understand the importance of water changes and filters/filter media. I am on top of water changes and always have two filters whose gallon ratings double the tank size. I make sure they have excess mechanical and especially biological media in them too. Out of curiosity, how many black moor/telescope calicos would you suggest can live in a 75 g as well as in a 29 g tank given I am more experienced than most. My 75 g tank is also heavily planted. For example, I lost power for five days this summer (before I had the fry) when a tornado hit my area. At the time, I had 4 fish in there. I ran the air stone on a battery operated bubbler, did frequent partial water changes, added crushed coral to the rocks and by the bubbler and tested the water twice a day and to my surprise, had no ammonia or nitrite spikes or pH drops.

Unrelated, but I unfortunately did have a telescope goldfish loose his eyes. I immediately gave him a little methylene blue bath and put him in a different 29 g tank by himself since he now needed to adjust to being blind. It was so sad, but he is still alive and well and adjusting well to his new predicament. I am curious though, do you think since he has his bearings and immediately finds food now, that he should have one tank mate? Ideally, I would add one of the babies when they are of comfortable size to do so. He is around 3 inches long, hard to get an exact measurement.

Sorry the pictures in the last post didn't upload very well. They looked much better on my phone. I took new ones for an update, but don't see a way to add them to the reply.

Thanks again for your response and help! Means a lot

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