All of a sudden, we have baby fish! Goldfish? Koi? What next?

by Laura C
(Cheshire, CT, USA)

We have a large pond, 2 sections, upper smaller pond - about 2 feet deep and 5x5 feet in size, in full sun, the lower pond, 1-4 feet deep and about 20 x 8 feet in size, with a waterfall and a long river bed connecting the two sections.

The waterfall recycles the water from the bottom pond, not feeding the upper pond. The upper pond is fed separately by the lower pond.

We have 7 fish in our lower pond only. 2 Koi - 6-10 inches and 5 goldfish 4-6 inches. There are lots of snakes (garter and ribbon), and green frogs established in both upper and lower sections.

In March, 2016, we had the pond completely emptied and cleaned. They removed the fish and some frogs and put them in a kiddie pool during the process, and removed all of the algae and such, power washed the rocks etc. (We moved to this house in October, and didn't have experience with ponds as of yet).

The pond over the spring/summer re-established all the wildlife (frogs, snakes etc,) in no time. The string algae was back by July which we tried to control by removing as much as we could but left some for health of the pond. We don't feed the fish - they eat the natural algae..

In July, we noticed 4-6 small gold-colored fish in the UPPER pond. I am assuming they are goldfish. Perhaps because I moved some water hyacinth from the bottom pond to the upper pond to help combat the string algae that was overtaking the upper pond (full sun).

I read that fish fry turn gold after a year? So are those goldfish (about 1-3 inches in size now) a year old?

Now, in August, we started seeing small black "minnow" looking fish in both the upper and lower ponds. Are they also fish fry - or baby fish?

I'd like to know what to do (or what steps to take) to continue a well balanced pond. There are at least 50-100 small minnow like fish between the two ponds. I am hesitant to put the "new" goldfish into the bigger lower pond in fear of them becoming koi food, but the winter is approaching and only the lower pond will have the ice breaker heater in it.

I hope I gave you enough information. Please let me know if you need more specifics.
Looking for steps to proceed towards winter. Thin the herd? Move the fish?
Thanks!



Grant's Reply


Hi Laura

Either you've transferred water hyacinth with eggs attached, or the water circulation system has pumped fry from the bottom pond to the top. Hyacinth is an ideal spawning medium for Goldfish or Koi to lay their eggs on.

Because of their size more than color I would guess the 1-3 inch fish are last year's fry. Goldfish can start coloring after just 90 days, depending on food, water temperature and genetics.

It would be a fair bet the small black minnow fish are Goldfish fry from this spring's spawning. Goldfish start out silver gray, turn black, then slowly the black starts to fade, being replaced by light gold coloration.

Once the fish has turned fully yellow gold, the color will start to deepen to dark orange/red or gold. (Note, not all of the fish turn gold, some retain their natural wild coloration. More on this later).

Both Koi and Goldfish are cannibalistic so you are correct that the smaller fish could be in danger of becoming a meal. Having said that, Koi and Goldfish aren't aggressive towards other fish, so quite large size differences can be kept together. If the smaller fish can't fit into the mouths of the bigger fish, they wont be eaten.

50-100 fry are too many for your system to support, especially as you don't feed them.

If you let nature take its course, as the fry start to color, they become easier targets for all the wildlife living around and in the pond, including birds.

What will happen is a lot of the colored fish will "disappear" and more of the dull (naturally) colored fish will survive.

Over time, the dull colored fish become the majority, which is not what you want.

Here are a few suggestions before winter sets in:

1. Establish if the fry are Goldfish or Koi. Koi have a barbel at each end of their mouths. The reason for establishing this is because Koi grow much larger than Goldfish.

2. If the fry are Goldfish, and you want to keep a few, say no more than 6, you need to select those that are turning gold and either move them indoors over winter, or leave them in the top pond as long as it doesn't completely freeze. At anything smaller than 2 inches in body length they will struggle to survive over winter.

If the fry are Koi, the same applies, but you wouldn't want to keep as many because of the size they grow to.

(You may even have a mix of both Koi and Goldfish. Does one of the Koi look broader than the other or have colored pectoral fins?)

3. Sell off or give away the rest of the fry. This will be a problem each year as your fish are at a size and age when they will spawn around late June, early July.

If you don't reduce the numbers, competition for food will mean all the existing fish will start to suffer, and building up fat reserves for winter will become harder and harder, resulting in early spring losses.

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Aug 29, 2024
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Questions about Baby fish
by: Grant

Hi Patti
Your pond must be an ideal environment for spawning Koi or Goldfish if you have so many.
Being black, I would expect that they are Goldfish.
Goldfish fry are slate grey at first, then turn black before turning gold/orange/white or a combination of these colors.
Koi don't go through a color change the same way, they just develop more color as they get bigger.
The fry won't grow much because they won't be getting enough food.
If the pond is uncovered, as the fry start turning gold/orange, they become an easier target for fish eating birds.
Having said all that, these fish may be a hybrid cross of Goldfish/Koi. Check to see if any of the fry have barbels at the corner of their mouths.
As for what to do with these fish, you have a bit of a problem.
In most countries Goldfish are considered an invasive species, and it is illegal to release them into a natural waterway.
If you let nature take its course, a lot will die off from starvation or cannibalism.
The danger is in autumn none of the fish, including the parents, will get enough food to build up fat for the winter.
The best option is to clean out the pond of small fish in mid-summer when breeding is finished and dispose of the fry through a local fish shop or online.

Aug 26, 2024
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Questions about Baby fish
by: Anonymous

I have an approx. 300 gallon pond and noticed I have hundreds of medium size and tiny sized black minnows. I have two large goldfish and two bigger koi. I’m not sure what these minnows are but it appears they keep having more. Do goldfish minnows stay black for a long time? They don’t seem to be growing much in size either . They are Just everywhere ..
Should I take them out? I live by a large pond I could put them in there . I’m not sure what to do.
Thank you for suggestions
Patti

Jul 09, 2024
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New baby fish mixed with their parents and a few larger fish
by: Anonymous

I have two fish ponds in my backyard and Charleston, South Carolina. I have a filter system that I’ve built with both of them and is working very well Now I have fish in my smaller pond. I’m so excited about. Some are black I saw today but some have color also, I’m not sure what to do because I want to keep the baby alive and not get eaten by the Larger fish are in the pond.
So I’m not sure if I should try to separate the baby fish some kind of a net in my pond so the big ones can’t get over to them, or let nature take its course
If anybody has any comments that could help me, I would appreciate it My name is Colleen Thank you very much

Jul 07, 2023
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Baby fish
by: Karen YAMASHITA

I love how nice and easy u explained everything.Not like I had to really had to go over everything 2 or 3 times.Awesome job.Will be checking in often thanks again. Karen Yamashita

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